HOW MANY PUBS HAS HE REALLY GOT

[spiderman]

Did humf say he only had 200 pubs in court....is that just SAM SMITHS PUBS or did he forget to tell them about the R&M GASGARTH PUBS (rochdale and manor)...has he been asked by the court how many he actually owns ( small independant brewery)yes im sure
Ithink whoever is representing sacked managers in court should make him prove he asked for the bankloan
If he can sell his beer to the freetrade at the same price that it goes into his own pubs then he cant be short of money
Also the freetrade pubs which are near his own pubs are selling the beer 20p cheaper ..so regular customers that have been drinking in sams for years not only get the beer cheap....also television,sport,music,artists,basicly everything he has took out of his own pubs....managers got told years ago that everything was took out to keep prices down.

[SexyLexy]

I often wonder how many pubs Samuel Smiths Brewery has, did hear that he had about 500 around teh country. From Scotland, down to London, with a few in Wales.But does anyone here know the exact amount.

[OnTheDrink]

There's a list produced by James Gretton here... http://www.jamesgretton.co.uk/samuelsmiths/ and everybody seems to agree that it's about 326 with no new ones having been identified for years, which you'd expect if there were more.  I'm sure some of the clubs listed might not actually be owned by Sams but are 100% tied through brewery finance.

[minsterman]

There's a list produced by James Gretton here... http://www.jamesgretton.co.uk/samuelsmiths/

I may be wrong, but I thought the map had been produced by our own DarkieBoy - simply hosted with James Gretton?

With regards to Humphs version of the number of pubs they own/operate - if he had been under oath (and as the real number could have had a bearing on the judgement summary) - Humphs could have found himself facing charges of perjury. He seems to play that card a little too often (just a 'small brewery' business). Maybe a throw back to hiding facts from the Times Rich List. I still can't help thinking that the fellow has got something else to hide.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

As people have already stated the map produced by DB is pretty acurate we think. Other sources have said that there are about 400. Not sure myself of that figure.

[DarkieBoy]

There's a list produced by James Gretton here... http://www.jamesgretton.co.uk/samuelsmiths/

I may be wrong, but I thought the map had been produced by our own DarkieBoy - simply hosted with James Gretton?

With regards to Humphs version of the number of pubs they own/operate - if he had been under oath (and as the real number could have had a bearing on the judgement summary) - Humphs could have found himself facing charges of perjury. He seems to play that card a little too often (just a 'small brewery' business). Maybe a throw back to hiding facts from the Times Rich List. I still can't help thinking that the fellow has got something else to hide.

To clarify, James Gretton produced a London map of the Samuel Smith's pubs as a project using a Google Spreadsheet with Longitude and Latitude used as a basis to plot the location on a Google map.  For a time it was purely the London pubs, as James is from London.  However, after a while, a handfull of other pubs appeared.  I contacted James with a pub to add, and James gave me instructions on how to add it.  I then took it upon myself to add as many as possible and I perhaps added around 250 pubs to the map (if my memory serves me right).

So, I have added most of the data to the map, while James set it up initially.

DB.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

Sorry DB, i thought it was all your handy work.

[DarkieBoy]

Sorry DB, i thought it was all your handy work.

Well, give or take, I added about 250 of the 300 plus pubs on the map, checked every location on Google and added a link to Google Street View (for many pubs) for future use.

This was my first post on the forum: http://samsmiths.info/forum/index.php/topic,1797.msg4038.html#msg4038

In addition, I have obtained a list of Samuel Smith's pubs that I need to check to see if there are any that are missing.

DB.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

DB

I have now checked the list that i acquired and looks like all the pubs are listed here or on the map. Will just have to keep looking

[DarkieBoy]

DB

I have now checked the list that i acquired and looks like all the pubs are listed here or on the map. Will just have to keep looking

Okay, well done.  I have a list too, but not the time to check just now.  Just moved home and business and still getting sorted.  Will endeavour to check soonish.

DB.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

ok thanks DB.

Shall keep looking and seeing if any more secret lists appear.

[ian]

In the past I've been given 3 or 4 lists. Each time I was told that the lists where from Sam Smiths and they name all their pubs.  But up to now all the lists have been printed off this website. 

ian.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

I have seen a number of lists over the years and i don't think they are all produced by the brewery. Once i did send a friend into the brewery and they asked for a list of Sam's pub in York and the recpetionist disappeared and produced a piece of paper with just 5 on. This is obviously not true 

[DarkieBoy]

I only know of one list that is complete, and it is not mine!  It is the ONE at the Brewery, probably locked in a safe.  My list might be near-complete, or it might even be complete, but I could not guarantee anything.  It will only ever be varified when the Brewery discloses it's list of pubs fully and frankly (ie, not "in the region of 200" pubs).

In the meantime, I am still keeping an eye out for that potentially overlooked Samuel Smith's pub.

DB.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

As mentioned on here before i wouldn't expect Humphrey Smith himself to know exactly how many pubs ( or buildings, land etc that he actually owns). Maybe there is a list locked away, but we shall never know about it. Two known pubs that are just shut are the King Edward School building at Bath and the Lower Ship at Reading. That's two for a start.

Shall also keep an eye out for new potential Sam's pub's