The Duke of York - Location: Marylebone

[Max]

Name: The Duke of York - Location: Marylebone

Address: 35, New Cavendish St, London, W1G 9UE [020 7935 4814]

[DarkieBoy]

This pub has now closed.  Someone in a good position to know told me that it was leased by Sam Smiths from someone else and no new manager has been appointed.

[bigjim]

That would make sense because in 2007 Samuel Smith (Southern) were in court against Haward de Walden (Estates) Ltd over a rent review - the latter own a huge chunk of Marylebone - so my guess is it's the Duke of York. One of those rare things in life - a leasehold Sam Smiths pub!

[Hairbear]

Yes,The Duke of York has closed as of the 21st March,The lease still had another 7 years on it.Howard de Walden the owner of the premises applied for planning permission through Westminster council last year to turn the the upstairs accomodation into 4 flats,but obviously as the lease was still running that was not possible.The managers left the Duke of York and within a week the pub had been closed and now i understand handed back to Howard de Walden,looks like the flats can now go ahead.
He has 2 other leased pubs in London,The Dover Castle and The Ordnance.

[bigjim]

He has 2 other leased pubs in London,The Dover Castle and The Ordnance.

Very useful to know when the time comes to 'tot up' Humphrey's wealth. I guess what's happened at the Duke of York shows he doesn't really like leaseholds - unless of course they're for two thousand years fixed at ?20 pa as in Bristol! - but even so, with seven years to run, you can bet Howard de Walden Estates will have had to pay him handsomely.

[DarkieBoy]

Does any known of any other pubs that are leased?

He has 2 other leased pubs in London,The Dover Castle and The Ordnance.

Very useful to know when the time comes to 'tot up' Humphrey's wealth. I guess what's happened at the Duke of York shows he doesn't really like leaseholds - unless of course they're for two thousand years fixed at ?20 pa as in Bristol! - but even so, with seven years to run, you can bet Howard de Walden Estates will have had to pay him handsomely.

[passedit]

Not sure but was told the Angel in Leeds was leased ?

[southernboy]

I think the FItzroy Tavern in London is leased ?

[southernboy]

Sorry got that wrong . Was leasheold but now owned by Sams when Hump bought lease a few years ago from merchant inns ... My souce tells me he paid over the odds about ?3,000,000 

[bigjim]

Sorry got that wrong . Was leasheold but now owned by Sams when Hump bought lease a few years ago from merchant inns ... My souce tells me he paid over the odds about ?3,000,000

Thanks for that - very interesting. I guess Humphrey realised Howard De Walden Estates were never going to sell a freehold to him, being a very similar hereditary land owning private business! As far as paying over the odds is concerned, I guess we'd need to know how long the lease was and any rent review dates.

[ian]

This was one of two London pubs that are/was Leased to Sam Smiths.

[Ken Boyes]

Site still under development 28/10/11

[DarkieBoy]

Site still under development 28/10/11

Thanks for letting us know.  Do you have any idea what it will become?

DB.

[Ken Boyes]

Sorry, I didn't note but I think it just said Licenced Premises / Restaurant use.

Thanks for letting us know.  Do you have any idea what it will become?

DB.
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[DarkieBoy]

Sorry, I didn't note but I think it just said Licenced Premises / Restaurant use.

Thanks for letting us know.  Do you have any idea what it will become?

DB.

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No worries. I'm down in London in ten or so days so I'll have a look if I'm passing.

DB.