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Offline ajwicks

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White Rose of Yorkshire
« on: Sep 30 - 2010 »
Just heard a rumour that HS is sueing (or threatening to sue) Cropton Brewery for their use of the White Rose on marketing material for their Yorkshire Warrior brew (brewed specifically for a Yorkshire Regiment). Anyone else heard this? If it's true then yet another sign of insanity within SS, as surely this symbol is not the exclusive property of HS  -  or does he think he owns the whole of Yorkshire, not just most of Tadcaster! :(
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #1 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #2 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
Well spotted! Looks serious with possibly catastrophic costs for the losing party! Anyone out there with legal knowledge to offer an opinion? I would have thought that the White Rose is the symbol of the County to be used with that association and not the exclusive property of Samuel Smith's brewery.
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #3 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
I guess he'll be after Leeds United next!

York Brewery also use the white rose: http://www.york-brewery.co.uk/our_beers.php#beer27

Personally, I prefer the red, being on the winning side!

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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #4 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
Isn't the Sam Smiths white rose the "White Rose of East Yorkshire" as it's a upside down White Rose of Yorkshire?  :P

ian from East Yorkshire.
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #5 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
He's definitely mad.  They all look slightly different.  Anyway does he think he now owns Yorkshire and not just all of Tadcaster and the surrounding district.  If anyone has the right to use the Yorkshire Rose then it is the regiment and they gave permission.  They will have been using for a lot longer than Humpty.

Only problem is that he'll expect his pubs to put more money in to fund his legal challenges. 
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #6 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
The Yorkshire Regiment is 300 years old, but it doesn't necessitate that they've been using since day one. 

However, the white rose is too much in the public domain to belong to anyone in particular, in my opinion.

Not totally sure of the legalities of it being associated with one particular company in one particular industry and whethey they have leave to protect its use in that particular industry.

I do recall (correctly or not) that MGM (cinemas) took a car dealer to court in Rochdale (or somewhere similar in Lancashire) called something like MGM Cars (or similar).  MGM Cars had been trading in the UK before MGM appeared hear.  The judge applied the law and if I remember correctly MGM Cars are still there.

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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #7 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
The Item has just been on Yorkshire TV local news - Calendar.

The logo's are very different - and the white rose logo was gifted to the regiment by our Royal family.

Once again - Smith proves he's totally crackers and couldn't care less about anyone else!

I read on the news programs Facebook page that they had tried emailing the brewery (presumably at their new website) but to no avail. When phoning were told that their email (Sam Smiths) was not working! Typical.

The TV program claimed they had tried 3 times to get a response from the brewery - but no surprise to us - it was a 'no comment'. Obviously because ther is no plausible defence for this maniacs actions.

Still - if Smith is now upsetting a regiment and the Crown - maybe he may have taken on something that all of his money can't conquer!!!
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #8 on: Oct 5 - 2010 »
SHAME ON YOU SAMUEL SMITHS FOR TAKING ACTION AGAINST ''THE WARRIOR' BEER AND IT'S BREWERY.   SO VERY, VERY PETTY AND SMALL MINDED.   I AND MY FRIENDS WILL CERTAINLY NOT BE DRINKING YOUR BEER IN FUTURE !!!!
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The Item has just been on Yorkshire TV local news - Calendar.

The logo's are very different - and the white rose logo was gifted to the regiment by our Royal family.

Once again - Smith proves he's totally crackers and couldn't care less about anyone else!

I read on the news programs Facebook page that they had tried emailing the brewery (presumably at their new website) but to no avail. When phoning were told that their email (Sam Smiths) was not working! Typical.

The TV program claimed they had tried 3 times to get a response from the brewery - but no surprise to us - it was a 'no comment'. Obviously because ther is no plausible defence for this maniacs actions.

Still - if Smith is now upsetting a regiment and the Crown - maybe he may have taken on something that all of his money can't conquer!!!
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #9 on: Oct 7 - 2010 »


Interesting - having looked at the Intellectual Property website - I couldn't find the rose logo registered - so maybe someone could find where it is registered?

I did of course find a few brand registrations relating to a full label as can be seen here - but nothing for the rose logo itself.

On Sams new official website - I've noticed the inclusion of a small 'R' next to the logo - claiming it is registered. It is of course illegal to claim that a logo / word / phrase is registered, if in fact it is not officially so with at least the individual / companies base country.
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #10 on: Oct 7 - 2010 »
How dare this complete intectually challenged Numpty(smith), challenge the right of a brewery to use the Yorkshire Regiment Capbadge as a means of raising money for the killed, maimed and disfigured sons of the Broad Acres. If he wins his case, which i'm sure he will, as he probably went to the same school and at the same time as the judge,I hope he is awarded 1p with no costs and a warning to stop wasting the courts time in future! Hope you're reading this Numpty, you pathetic little man. one way you may like to make an effort for our Brave Boys is to brew your own Yorkshire Heroes beer, or would that be too much effort!!!!
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #11 on: Oct 7 - 2010 »
Exmerch I find you post a little over the top for this forum.  You can make your point without all the name calling.  Also is it wise of you to say a Judge of the Crown is in H S pocket, on a open forum?

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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
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Quote from: Max on Oct  7 - 2010


Interesting - having looked at the Intellectual Property website - I couldn't find the rose logo registered - so maybe someone could find where it is registered?

I did of course find a few brand registrations relating to a full label as can be seen here - but nothing for the rose logo itself.

On Sams new official website - I've noticed the inclusion of a small 'R' next to the logo - claiming it is registered. It is of course illegal to claim that a logo / word / phrase is registered, if in fact it is not officially so with at least the individual / companies base country.

Could this action be about 'passing off'? see wikipedia page here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_off

Now I seem to recall that our old friends RBNB had some success in sueing a brewery in Barnsley over 'passing off'. RBNB proved to have very deep pockets - and I do believe SSOB is rumoured to be well endowed in the trouser pocket department.
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #13 on: Oct 7 - 2010 »
More in todays York Press  07/10/10. Cromptons sat this lawsuit could close them down.
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Re: White Rose of Yorkshire
« Reply #14 on: Oct 8 - 2010 »
Somebody as told me of a letter in todays Yorkshire Post saying that the Sam Smith's white rose is not the White Rose of Yorkshire rose.

I also cannot see how a company can lay claim to our county symbol.

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