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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #15 on: Feb 21 - 2011 »
Just had Gammon, Chips and Pineapple in the Standing Order in Stevenage. Pleasant young staff and a great pint of Mayfields pale Ale @ ?1:89..You can't microwave grilled gammon and it came with 2 unasked for perfectly fried free range eggs. "How so" asked I. "The cook is in a good mood" said my server. No complaints from me about Wetherspoons.
Humph should look at their business model
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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #16 on: Feb 22 - 2011 »
Just had Gammon, Chips and Pineapple in the Standing Order in Stevenage. Pleasant young staff and a great pint of Mayfields pale Ale @ ?1:89..You can't microwave grilled gammon and it came with 2 unasked for perfectly fried free range eggs. "How so" asked I. "The cook is in a good mood" said my server. No complaints from me about Wetherspoons.
Humph should look at their business model
 "As if he would!"


What would you have got if the cook had been in a bad mood?  :P

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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #17 on: Feb 22 - 2011 »
I must admit that i have been in several Wetherspoons for meals and the portion sizes seem to vary. Not to sure whether its to do with the mood of the chef or individual pubs, needing to get a smaller gross profit on there food. Mr Smith could learn from the Wetherspoons business model.

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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #18 on: Feb 23 - 2011 »
I must admit that i have been in several Wetherspoons for meals and the portion sizes seem to vary. Not to sure whether its to do with the mood of the chef or individual pubs, needing to get a smaller gross profit on there food. Mr Smith could learn from the Wetherspoons business model.

Suppose he could. Shut or sell the brewery first. No brewery no Sam Smith's. Another British brewery gone. Take the family money and F..... off like so many others have done. Greenalls, Whitbread, Tetley's etc. Next time your in JD's have a close look at what's on sale and think were the profits are really going. :-* Still I suppose at the end of the day it is about personal choice how an individual wants to do business? 8)

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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #19 on: Feb 25 - 2011 »
Is the difference that Wetherspoons actually listen to their customers and give them what they want? As a public company they have to make a profit and they have found a particular niche in the market with their cheap food and drink. their pubs are imaginitively designed, often from old banks etc and are always full. Service is  quick, and staff well motivated - perhaps because the managers are on a realistic incentive scheme! Nothing wrong with a niche market - after all Sams is definitely one, but the competition shows how it can be a real success. Maybe when the current regime goes, they will hire somebody from Wetherspoons to turn the business round?
Perhaps the biggest difference between JDW and SS is the way in which they treat their staff. The following is a quote from JDW's web site:

"People are our greatest asset ? and we are very proud of the recognition which we have received from those independent bodies awarding us in this area.

Let?s be blunt: without the best people, we can?t offer the best service ? and it?s great service which customers want, above all else.

We seek to develop staff through effective and award-winning training and development, through a positive working environment and, of course, by means of a decent pay packet. Every year, thousands of staff complete one or more training courses, not only preparing them to work safely and to the best of their ability, but also inspiring them to pursue positive career development.

Recently, in the field of training, we developed the Advanced Diploma in Leisure Retail Management, for pub and area managers, allowing all of our pub managers to gain a university qualification which sits just below degree level.

It?s not all about degrees, though: we made a training commitment to our entire workforce, when we launched our food & drink apprenticeship scheme. This committed us to investing in the future of our 21,000 staff members, by becoming the first pub operator to sign up to the government?s Skills Pledge initiative.

The pledge is a voluntary, public commitment ? made by an organisation ? to invest in its workforce?s skills. In short, we aim to set the industry benchmarks and to be the best. Doing that depends on our people."

Can you imagine Humphrey even having such thoughts, never mind delivering on them?
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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #20 on: Feb 25 - 2011 »
When I started with the brewery as a trainee pub manager in 1989, the training given was absolutely first class and very thorough.
My missus and I did 8 weeks in-house training in a Sams pub, living there as a management couple with the mentors. We undertook various "tests" during these 8 weeks which had to satisfy not only the mentors but the senior training officer who would drop in randomly to check our progress.
We then were housed in the flats at Tadcaster for a fortnight to learn all the paperwork and legal stuff, Health & Safety, Fire Training, Cellar Management, basic first aid , profit margins on catering, food hygeine etc.
During our continued employment with the company, one of us, (which was usually me) had to attend on going training and refresher courses either at the brewery or a nominated venue. I have more certificates than soft Mick.
We also attended meetings which were well organised and in the main beneficial to our continued success in the public house enviroment.
To be honest, if you had been trained by Samuel Smiths, you had the respected credentials to vertually walk into any other brewery to apply for a job should you wish to do so.
In the 80s and 90s, the company was highly respected by its employees. It was a company for whom it was a pleasure to work for.
The change of attitudes by this family run business has seen downturns in trade, especially the food side of the business at a phenominal rate.
Yes, the general brewing trade has seen a downturn in trade over the years, but as long term managers will verify, Sams downturn has been self inflicted by Mr. Smith himself with strange decisions that only he knows why they have been made.
Some of those decisions were scything of staff hours, removal of music and televisions (forget sky), turning a blind eye to pubs desperately in need of decoration/repairs/refurbishment, refusal to pay warranted bonuses decent wages etc to employees, removal of other products like Guiness, Cider, alcopops etc. thus limiting choice to other potential customers.
Most of this was done to keep beer prices down to the current low level. Yes that's fantastic for the person on the other side of the bar, but I am sure that another 10p to 20p per pint would still be acceptable and still be well below the oppositions prices to be able to fund those debatable decisions mentioned above.

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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #21 on: Feb 25 - 2011 »
blueboy everything you said is spot on we joined in 1990 and did the 2 weeks course in Taddy and went out on relief straight away.We fortunetly did,nt do the in house training,it,s such a pity how thing,s are now.

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« Reply #22 on: Feb 25 - 2011 »
I just cannot understand this man. 90% of all customers in his houses would welcome a 20p per pint increase, if he would just treat his managers as what they deserve. Give us customers a full pint and stop ripping us off, it becomes a toil after every pint is served to say can you top it up please. The 20p increase and a full pint would be acceptable, can you not as a "bussinesman"" understand these basic facts. Perhaps we should nominate you to the "apprentice" I am sure Mr Sugar could boost the ratings by 1000%, in the real world people like you do not exist, but perhaps Oxton is in a time warp, and am sure Alan would quite easily demonstrate that.

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 26 - 2011 »
in gatwick airport this year looking for a meal and spotted a wetherspoons so went in and fancied a pannini and salad when meal came i went hunting the salad cream (all gone) so i asked lad who was cleaning up if there was any he told me it had all gone iwish i had known before  and then he said he could get me some out of a jar in kitchen for a quid (cheeky get)

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Re: Samuel Smith's versus JD Wetherspoons
« Reply #24 on: Feb 27 - 2011 »
We've had a few meals in JDWs in Picadilly York, no complaints at all, decent grub for the price and a quick service, and the same goes for the one in Perth in Scotland.