Author Topic: Court Case result  (Read 1850 times)  Share 

Offline DarkieBoy

  • Jet Tec ink cartridges - UK Ink Supplies
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,918
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Jet Tec ink cartridges - UK Ink Supplies
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #30 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
While searching for "Alpine Lager" on a well-known search engine, I came across another "Alpine Lager", of Canadian persuasion.


Perhaps Samuel Smith's have been subject to a trademark infringement?

DB.

Offline pintplease

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 93
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #31 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
jboycott yes it is frustrating it reminds me of the old saying
"There's none so blind as they that won't see." 

"on the drink" you sarcastically say  "In that case, why don't you pop off and drink in a Wetherspoons pub?" well what's wrong with that, I do so quite often and enjoy the experience.
The point I was trying to make which has been overlooked is that Sam's is criticised
with expressions such as lunacy for not allowing music in their pubs. Wetherspoons have the same policy, would they be equally criticised bearing in mind their successful business model.

You go a bit over the top attacking Wetherspoons you say "It's never been about the money for me and that includes the beer prices" well you must be more fortunate than most of us who do care about beer prices including myself.
You say that Wetherspoons have no interest in the pub trade whatsoever other than the fact it's a profit stream, please tell me what business does not put profit as its first priority.  From the customer point of view I have to point out that Wetherspoons has been a breath of fresh air allowing ordinary people to drink at prices that are not rip off as with so many other establishments. If they are guilty of all the things you allege I can only say that the general public don't perceive it that way.  Finally the pubs that you say have been closing are also part of large groups who will close them without hesitation if the profit margin is not met, its all about profit cant you see that.  Sorry jboycott if I labour the points but I am a tryer lol 

Offline OnTheDrink

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #32 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
After reading this slightly wonky and inconsistent reply with it's arrogant opening I suggest to pintplease that as with the copyright "discussion" you just give it up, I know I am

Wonky and inconsistent? In what way?  I think you just can't bear to admit that HS is getting it badly wrong.

Offline OnTheDrink

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #33 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
jboycott yes it is frustrating it reminds me of the old saying
"There's none so blind as they that won't see." 

"on the drink" you sarcastically say  "In that case, why don't you pop off and drink in a Wetherspoons pub?" well what's wrong with that, I do so quite often and enjoy the experience.
The point I was trying to make which has been overlooked is that Sam's is criticised
with expressions such as lunacy for not allowing music in their pubs. Wetherspoons have the same policy, would they be equally criticised bearing in mind their successful business model.

You go a bit over the top attacking Wetherspoons you say "It's never been about the money for me and that includes the beer prices" well you must be more fortunate than most of us who do care about beer prices including myself.
You say that Wetherspoons have no interest in the pub trade whatsoever other than the fact it's a profit stream, please tell me what business does not put profit as its first priority.  From the customer point of view I have to point out that Wetherspoons has been a breath of fresh air allowing ordinary people to drink at prices that are not rip off as with so many other establishments. If they are guilty of all the things you allege I can only say that the general public don't perceive it that way.  Finally the pubs that you say have been closing are also part of large groups who will close them without hesitation if the profit margin is not met, its all about profit cant you see that.  Sorry jboycott if I labour the points but I am a tryer lol

Well, I'm sure you enjoy Wetherspoons and I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade you otherwise, but just because you like them doesn't make them everyone's poison.

I do get your point about the music but you're comparing SS pubs that struggle to get custom with Wetherspoons pubs (all located in town and city centres) that don't. It's not a level playing field. If every Sam Smiths pub could turn over ?20,000 plus every week I'd fully support a blanket no-music policy, as it would clearly have been a good decision.  It's a fair point that Wetherspoons offer a cheaper product but as has already been pointed out, those days are coming to an end as Wetherspoons prices seem to be on the increase. 

Profit? Of course every business is focused on profit but Wetherspoons is a public company and if or when another company makes a takeover bid, they might be forced to accept, and it's anyone's guess what would happen to the business model if that happened. That can't happen to Sam Smiths. Of course I'm aware of the importance of profit - I run my own business so cash in the bank is always on my mind, but it's how you go about making it that's important as well. 

When I said it's not about the money, I get a great pint at a great price but if my SS local went down the pan the cheap beer wouldn't keep me there. It's more about the overall pub atmosphere, which I don't get in any Wetherspoons I've ever been in. Mind, on the odd occasion I've had a dodgy pint in a Wetherspoons, it's always been exchanged without question. The service is pretty good too, but it's very impersonal.

You state that all of the pubs that Wetherspoons have put out of business are all part of large groups. They aren't. Most are leasehold or tenanted pubs run by struggling self-employed individuals.

Offline jboycott

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #34 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
After reading this slightly wonky and inconsistent reply with it's arrogant opening I suggest to pintplease that as with the copyright "discussion" you just give it up, I know I am

Wonky and inconsistent? In what way?  I think.

Well I'll just add to pp's points:
1 If you dislike Humphrey and his company then why don't you pop off and drink elsewhere?
2 I don't frequent Wetherspoons' pubs but the ones I have seen are no worse than, and often better than, the ones run by other pubcos or breweries.
3 So do you want (clever) businessmen to run your pub or not? Make your mind up. Oh, you mean yourself don't you! You would make a fantastic brewery/pub chain owner as you are a great businessman with all the best ideas on how to make them a success! But of course you wouldn't be doing it for the money, Heaven forfend!
4 Even Humphrey is dedicated to preserving his business as a traditional brewery - well blow me down!!!
5 Wetherspoons' "cheap frozen rubbish": I've never tried it but as Tescos and the rest (and Wetherspoons) seem to sell a lot of it I guess it's popular with the masses. Maybe instead of dining out in a pub you should set your sights higher, a restaurant say? We know you can afford it - you've told us so! An added advantage is avoiding the riff-raff.
6 And how many Sam's pubs have closed in  the "wetherspoons" era? - (you just can't bear to admit that HS is getting it badly wrong)
7 Something you could never lay at the door of a Sam Smiths pub What?
« Last Edit: Jul 27 - 2011 by jboycott »

Offline OnTheDrink

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #35 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
1 If you dislike Humphrey and his company then why don't you pop off and drink elsewhere?

I have always emphasised that I don't dislike the company or HS. Read my posts properly.

2 I don't frequent Wetherspoons' pubs but the ones I have seen are no worse than, and often better than, the ones run by other pubcos or breweries.

The few remaining independent brewery estates are far better and most of their pubs offer real amosphere and character. I'll agree than many leased pubs are rubbish, but then again, many are very good. Wetherspoons do offer a consistent product but they are just shops that happen to sell some drink and microwave food.

3 So do you want (clever) businessmen to run your pub or not? Make your mind up. Oh, you mean yourself don't you! You would make a fantastic brewery/pub chain owner as you are a great businessman with all the best ideas on how to make them a success! But of course you wouldn't be doing it for the money, Heaven forfend!

I wondered when the personal attacks would start.  Funnily enough I've run several successful pubs. Have you ever run a pub, or any other business?

4 Even Humphrey is dedicated to preserving his business as a traditional brewery - well blow me down!!!

Well he is, and sarcasm won't change it.

5 Wetherspoons' "cheap frozen rubbish": I've never tried it but as Tescos and the rest (and Wetherspoons) seem to sell a lot of it I guess it's popular with the masses. Maybe instead of dining out in a pub you should set your sights higher, a restaurant say? We know you can afford it - you've told us so! An added advantage is avoiding the riff-raff.

Again, personal jibes don't add much to the discussion. I happen to like dining out in pubs, especially those with real home-made food and a great atmosphere, and I don't think I ever said I can 'afford to eat in restaurants, just that the price of a pint isn't everything, although it's a real bonus. Just because I have my own business doesn't make me a millionaire, and something that's popular with the masses doesn't make it any good, just convenient.  By the way, I think I can see that chip on your shoulder sticking out.

6 And how many Sam's pubs have closed in  "wetherspoons" era? (you just can't bear to admit that HS is getting it badly wrong

Er, none, but that's because HS will happily keep them open even when they make a loss. He's well-known for that, in the same way that he buys up buildings and keeps them boarded up for years. One SS pub I know of was open for nearly five years before it made a (very small) profit. He bought it to prevent a development knocking it down, so credit where credit's due, as I've said many times before about HS

7 Something you could never lay at the door of a Sam Smiths pub What?

That was in reference to Sam Smiths making a competitor pub unprofitable to the point of closing down. Cheap beer alone doesn't threaten other businesses.

Offline Laffen Titter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #36 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
And the winner is....................................................

Offline Laffen Titter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #37 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
OnTheDrink!!

Offline jboycott

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #38 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
1 I was paraphrasing your reply to pp
3 What personal attack? You have clearly set yourself up as an expert on running businesses yet have an inconsistent logic when applied to others. Similarly you are implying that my opinions would be invalid if I have never run a pub etc whereas your's are because you have.
4 No sarcasm intended, and your opinions wont change it either
5 If you see this as a personal jibe then how do you think your comments on Wetherspoons appear to their customers?
6+7 SS keep pubs open whilst making a loss/very small profit? Well isn't that the same as Tescos selling petrol at a loss to pressure other local outlets? Wouldn't that possibly affect other pubs nearby? So is keeping them open a good thing or a bad thing?

sorry for not doing in quotes but in a rush - off to t'pub, a Sam's one

Offline OnTheDrink

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
    • View Profile
Re: Court Case result
« Reply #39 on: Jul 27 - 2011 »
1 I was paraphrasing your reply to pp
3 What personal attack? You have clearly set yourself up as an expert on running businesses yet have an inconsistent logic when applied to others. Similarly you are implying that my opinions would be invalid if I have never run a pub etc whereas your's are because you have.
4 No sarcasm intended, and your opinions wont change it either
5 If you see this as a personal jibe then how do you think your comments on Wetherspoons appear to their customers?
6+7 SS keep pubs open whilst making a loss/very small profit? Well isn't that the same as Tescos selling petrol at a loss to pressure other local outlets? Wouldn't that possibly affect other pubs nearby? So is keeping them open a good thing or a bad thing?

sorry for not doing in quotes but in a rush - off to t'pub, a Sam's one

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree as I'm off to a Sams pub as well, to help finish the Alpine off unless I've been beaten to it!