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« Reply #34 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
I hope the ex-managers solicitors do not just accept Humphrey's profit & wage percentages without a challenge. He should be asked to produce his accounts to back the figures up. Imagine his reaction to that!
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
“We were under great pressure from the bank.

“We were having great difficulty renewing our overdraft and this commercial pressure was something we could not avoid,” he said.

He told the hearing all managers had been told to cut staff hours down to 45 per week which he considered reasonable enough.

“We thought 45 hours was perfectly reasonable but they (the managers) refused to compromise,” he added.

He told the tribunal that he had studied the cost structure of other pub chains and considered his own pubs could run efficiently on the same staff working hours system.

Former managers at the company’s Holly Bush pub at Edenthorpe, Doncaster, Frank and Pam Marshall, are leading the action against the company in a test case hearing.

Smith said that at the start of 2008 profits were down 33% at the pub and staff wages accounted for 14% of the business net “take”.

“This was unsustainable and put the future of the Holly Bush in jeapourdy,” he said.

He said the brewery had held its beer prices since 1990, mainly by increasing its productivity as the price of beer was crucial to the success of its pubs.

He considered cheap prices gave his pubs a good opportunity to maintain their trade.

“We want this business to be around in 200 years time so we want to hold up our barrelage and maintain employment within the brewery,” he explained.

Smith said he wanted his managers to increase their own productivity in difficult trading times but said many shunned new practices and adopted an “I’m All Right Jack” attitude.


What an absolute load of twaddle 'Smith' talks!

First of all, how can he say the restricted hours are reasonable - when in reality, at some venues it's physically impossible - and how would he know anyway - not ever having run a pub!

He say's he's been looking at the rest of the industry - well not very clearly. It doesn't take much intelligence to realize that each venue is somewhat unique, with regards, to size, layout, location, popularity, management experience, etc.., and thus each venues requirements (staff hours included) will vary from one place to the next.

It would appear that Humphs thinks it's all about the cheap prices - well if that's the only thing you can compete with, then it shows a lack of confidence in the quality of products, and service. Sams could still be competeatively priced, even after a price increase, which would certainly help pay the bills.

Speaking of money - how can humphs moan about their trade turnover - when he has single-handedly been destroying the business. Customers now turn away from Sam Smith's pubs because..

1. Some venues have lost out to the music ban. Not just pub background music, but live entertainment, weddings and birthday party events, etc.

2. Despite Humphs living in 'cloud-cuckoo land', people will only wait so long to be served, before going elsewhere.

3. Some venues thrived on their unique menu's - and have lost nearly all of their food turnover, since the new pie regime - and with it, a lot of wet trade.

4. People are getting fed up with their friendly (and experienced) hosts, being replaced by inexperience, miserable management.

5. After seeing the way in which managers and staff are being illegally/cruelly treated - regulars are now drinking elsewhere on principal alone.

Lets face it - if anyone wants booting out to save the company from financial collapse - then it's Humphrey Smith - and once the banks realize, they may withdraw their facilities, unless Humphrey is removed from pub/retail management. And when that happens, it will be a case of seizing/selling property and other assets, when they are not as valuable as they used to be.

Humphrey says; "the price of beer was crucial to the success of its pubs" - what a complete idiot. People know, that if somethings cheap, it's probably less quality. In this case, it may not be true of the beers, but it is becoming true of the way in which it's presented. I read elsewhere on this site that a change for less experienced managers at a pub in Beverley - is resulting in the loss of custom, simply due to the fact that the place is 'a Forrest of dirty glasses' on a weekend. No doubt Humphs will be losing turnover there, and at other similar venues, in similar circumstances.

"..The price of beer was crucial to the success of its pubs" bollocks!!

The way you are destroying your business Humphs, it wont be around in 20 years, let alone 200. And at this rate, it might not even make 2 years if the banks see you as an increasing, unsustainable risk - no matter what your gross asset value. And there will be only one - ONLY ONE - person to blame. Not the managers, customers or staff - just one 'I live in a dream world, and am so self conceited that I believe that everything I do is right, and everyone else is wrong' - Humphrey Smith.

As you would appear to be a religious man - look at it another way - as things go down the pan, it's the wrath of God punishing you for your inhumane cruelty to all.

And one final note; whilst there may have been a slim minority in the past whom have taken advantage of Sam's previous company leniency - it's a suicidal move to tar all with the same brush - unless of course you are suffering from a delusional paranoia condition.

Humphrey - get a grip man! Find out for yourself what's really going on. Move into one of your pubs, and co-manage it for a week or two - whilst sticking to your prescribed hours, and trying to keep the customers happy. You will find the experience more valuable than you could ever imagine - and you might just learn what is really needed to save your business.
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
Here here, 10p on all draughts would solve all of the problems, its all bull--it as usual, trying for sympathy no doubt, hope they show no mercy and teach the tyrant a lesson.
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
He said the brewery had held its beer prices since 1990, mainly by increasing its productivity as the price of beer was crucial to the success of its pubs.

10p on a pint would solve all these problems!!!!!! :-*
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
Content of Morning Advertiser..


Sam Smith's: bank forced us to cut staff
05/03/2009 12:36

By Tony Halstead

Family brewer Sam Smith’s says it was forced to introduce a swingeing round of cuts to pub staff hours to reduce costs following financial pressure from its bank, an employment tribunal heard yesterday.

Brewery director Humphrey Smith said the company had been struggling to meet its bank covenants and was having difficulty renewing its overdraft when the reduction in staff hours was made last year.

The brewery, based in Tadcaster, North Yorkshire, is being sued for unfair dismissal by 18 former managers at nine different pubs who were sacked for refusing to implement the cuts.

The managers were told to reduce hours in a major cost-cutting exercise mounted by the brewery early in 2008 across its national managed pub estate.

Smith told the Sheffield tribunal: “We were under great pressure from the bank.

“We were having great difficulty renewing our overdraft and this commercial pressure was something we could not avoid,” he said.

He told the hearing all managers had been told to cut staff hours down to 45 per week which he considered reasonable enough.

“We thought 45 hours was perfectly reasonable but they (the managers) refused to compromise,” he added.

He told the tribunal that he had studied the cost structure of other pub chains and considered his own pubs could run efficiently on the same staff working hours system.

Former managers at the company’s Holly Bush pub at Edenthorpe, Doncaster, Frank and Pam Marshall, are leading the action against the company in a test case hearing.

Smith said that at the start of 2008 profits were down 33% at the pub and staff wages accounted for 14% of the business net “take”.

“This was unsustainable and put the future of the Holly Bush in jeapourdy,” he said.

He said the brewery had held its beer prices since 1990, mainly by increasing its productivity as the price of beer was crucial to the success of its pubs.

He considered cheap prices gave his pubs a good opportunity to maintain their trade.

“We want this business to be around in 200 years time so we want to hold up our barrelage and maintain employment within the brewery,” he explained.

Smith said he wanted his managers to increase their own productivity in difficult trading times but said many shunned new practices and adopted an “I’m All Right Jack” attitude.

The hearing continues.

Source: Morning Advertiser
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« Reply #29 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
Any news on how it went on the first day yet anyone?

See Morning advertiser web site :-*
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 5 - 2009 »
My mole tells me it was very promising - watch this space....
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 4 - 2009 »
Any news on how it went on the first day yet anyone?
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 4 - 2009 »
Today's the day! Good luck Frank and Pam - fingers crossed.....
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 27 - 2009 »
What a shame that Humphrey inherited the wealth, but not the brains!

And he'll need a lot of his wealth when the precedent is set at the Tribunal next week, and he has a queue of 30+ claimants to pay for only a starter. I hope he's ordered a few new cheque books from the bank....

NOT FROM RBS I HOPE ;D
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« Reply #24 on: Feb 27 - 2009 »
What a shame that Humphrey inherited the wealth, but not the brains!

And he'll need a lot of his wealth when the precedent is set at the Tribunal next week, and he has a queue of 30+ claimants to pay for only a starter. I hope he's ordered a few new cheque books from the bank....
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 26 - 2009 »
now this is more like it, information at last, just noticed there is a guest called Oliver on-line, if you are a new member welcome, if you are the brother of, you know who, isnt it about time you had a meeting and asked your brother what he is up to, bringing this proud great company that you inherited, to be the laughing stock of the licensed industry, i can see all those other independents rubbing there hands together, waiting to see the outcome of these court cases.
Departing from that, have any members seen the recent masterchef series on tv,where the finalists had to cook for the chairman of British Industry, in a private club, one of the 8 guests was Geoffrey Neame from that other great brewery Sheperd & Neame, what a well turned out, articulate man, now could you imagine the chairman of SS being asked to a prestigious dinner like that, not on your nellie, why because for all there money, private education and family pedigree there really is something quiet odd about them isnt there.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 26 - 2009 »
There's an excellent article on page 10 of this week's Morning Advertiser about the up and coming Tribunal cases at Sheffield on 4th - 5th March.
Admin - can you download or create a link? :)


Well spotted!  :) I have posted a copy at this site here
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 26 - 2009 »
There's an excellent article on page 10 of this week's Morning Advertiser about the up and coming Tribunal cases at Sheffield on 4th - 5th March.
Admin - can you download or create a link? :)
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 17 - 2009 »
Thanks
For that
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