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How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« on: Aug 2 - 2011 »
Not only does beer vary from pub to pub, I also find that it varies depending who pulls the pint. I also find that this has a big effect on how the beer tastes, how it appears in the glass and how long the head lasts/sticks to the glass. For instance, I find the faster they pull the beer the better it tastes and looks. Pull it slow however, it tastes a little tart and has cleared by the time you have got your change. On Saturday night the head was full of big bubbles that quickly dispersed leaving the pint flat and rather tired looking. So I didn't enjoy it. Anorther person then served my next one and there was a little bit of an improvement. At best 6 out of 10. Next up to pull the next pint was a guy who seems to help out now and again on,  both sides of the bar. Best pint all night by far. Pulled it fast and hard, beer was all yellowy white in the glass, no bubbles and the head was there all the way down, 9 out of 10.
So the question is, how is it supposed to be and secondly how do you ask them to pull it "better" The last permament manager always pulled it fine, but now it just varies so much and to be honest spoils the night.

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #1 on: Aug 2 - 2011 »
Pulled it fast and hard, beer was all yellowy white in the glass, no bubbles and the head was there all the way down, 9 out of 10.

To me, that's the perfect serve for a Yorkshire beer. The problem can be though that there's a fair amount of spillage pulling a pint like that with a decent measure so although many managers and staff would like to serve their beer that way, the 5% surplus will often lead to a compromise.

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 2 - 2011 »
This has been the (northern) beer drinker's bane since the return of real ale and handpumps.
When "everyone" drunk beer any pub that used hand-pumps also had the staff with the requisite skill and enthusiasm to serve it properly, or more accurately, how us northeners wanted it, ie thick bodied and creamy headed. Some pubs, mainly Tetley's, had auto-vac systems on the pumps which recirculated the overspill - this countered the spillage problem mentioned by OTD and so a pint could be pulled over until the required serving was had. These systems were withdrawn due to health implications, someone still in the trade will know whether they are illegal, as I know they are available, now that glasses are not re-used.  Tetley's also had a regulation pull through of so many pints per pump per session at one time, now of course the lines are "on" more or less all day.
When handpumps and beers started to re-appear after the keg and lager hiatus it was  sometimes quite difficult to get a decently pulled pint. I can still remember the faces, and some of the names, of the staff you would avoid - the ones who gave you the pint as exactly described by ecbd going back to them dark days. Your face would drop if they were the only one on that night! But it can still apply now.  Most lager drinkers think your just a pillock if you go on about this issue.
The correct tightening of the sparkler,  and  a greater effort were generally all that was needed. I think that as less people drank beer then less people understood, or cared,  how the finished, pulled pint could vary in the mind of the drinker as it was seemingly the same stuff from the same pump. This thinking would obviously apply to some staff as well. It's odd that the stereotypical barmaid would be one you wouldn't want to take a punch from and yet the modern thinking is that pulling the pumps is a  sort of easy-peasy no effort kind of thing. I've put that as politely and non-sexist-ly as I can think of.
I have theory of my own regarding glass washing and detergents, relating to the change from those spinning glass washing machines to the ones used today as I have noticed how the head retention improves if you can "keep your glass" - up to a point. 
As anyone who has worked behind a bar will know the actual skill in pulling the pint is pretty easily learnt and I'm sure all staff are taught correctly by the manager/landlord (to suit the locale of course), I just think there's a generation who don't "get it" and might see anyone who complains as over fussy. With the upsurge in interest hopefully this will become a thing of the past.

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #3 on: Aug 3 - 2011 »
Unfortunatly for us, it's the manager and his missis who arn't pulling a good one! And that don't bode well for anyone they train. I alway think on the negative side as well when the manager drinks lager (notice I didn't say Alpine)? What perhaps looks a good pint of OBB to them is maybe a poor to us "experts". Such is life!

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #4 on: Aug 3 - 2011 »
Unfortunatly for us, it's the manager and his missis who arn't pulling a good one! And that don't bode well for anyone they train. I alway think on the negative side as well when the manager drinks lager (notice I didn't say Alpine)? What perhaps looks a good pint of OBB to them is maybe a poor to us "experts". Such is life!

In the old days it would be very rare for a landlord not to sup his own ale, and thus not be immediately aware of any problems with it whether in it's keeping or pulling. There was a very long period of hardly any pubs having handpulled beer and an associated drift away from people drinking real ale generally. This obviously means there were fewer in the trade with the appreciation you talk of. We've all taken a pint back for the lager drinking landlord to take a sip and tell us there's nowt wrong with it, it's usually easier to grin and bear it.

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #5 on: Aug 3 - 2011 »
I have just had the worst six pints of Sam's I have ever had. Sorry if it's not correct around here to say where but! The OBB was pulled so badly it was UN drinkable. Flat, and grim looking it was, tasting really tarte and crap. So bad me mate left three quarters of a pint! God it was that bad.....  I moved over to the Sov and that wasn't much better. August and the "seasonal" pub is almost empty! Lots of regulars missing. Serious problems here on the coast at the Golden Ball.  It really upsets me to have to slag a pub off but it's all down to either being naive or lazy. The same beer could be so great with just a little understanding on how to serve it. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
GOLDEN BALL NEEDS TO IMPROVE THE BEER.
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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #6 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
I have just had the worst six pints of Sam's I have ever had. Sorry if it's not correct around here to say where but! The OBB was pulled so badly it was UN drinkable. Flat, and grim looking it was, tasting really tarte and crap. So bad me mate left three quarters of a pint! God it was that bad.....  I moved over to the Sov and that wasn't much better. August and the "seasonal" pub is almost empty! Lots of regulars missing. Serious problems here on the coast at the Golden Ball.  It really upsets me to have to slag a pub off but it's all down to either being naive or lazy. The same beer could be so great with just a little understanding on how to serve it. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
GOLDEN BALL NEEDS TO IMPROVE THE BEER.

No need to apologise as far as I'm concerned ecbd, what's wrong with letting others know that a pub consistently sells crap pints? We were there last summer and the beer was great, but now would put that off. This is how it should work, sort the problem out - get the customers.

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #7 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
shame, was always one of my favourite pubs

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
Sorry to harp on about the past again but donkey's years ago they used to say "you'll never get a decent pint (of SS) on t'coast" as if it were the sea air or summat. This place in recent years has proved 'em wrong!

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #9 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
your bang on right about decent pints and coasts  lol

blackpool used to be famous in their large pubs for serving slops and just about anything else
as the night wore on and the music got louder and the ale got weaker.

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #10 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
forgot to mention.  .  . and the girls got prettier

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #11 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
ecbd, was there ever a Sam's pub in Brid?

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #12 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
ecbd, was there ever a Sam's pub in Brid?
Not that I am aware off in Brid. There is one or two in Whitby I think. Used to be two in Scaborough but now only the GB.

My complaint about the OBB really does me tree in. Like I said earlier, all it needs is some effort when pulling it and everyone is happy, except the girl behind the bar who's arm is aching and she still has several hours of her shift to go. Landlords a lager drinker so won't get any sympathy there. How do you tell em? How do you say "pull it harder n faster" please?

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #13 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
ecbd, was there ever a Sam's pub in Brid?
Not that I am aware off in Brid. There is one or two in Whitby I think. Used to be two in Scaborough but now only the GB.

Two in Scarborough?  What was the other one and do you know what happened to it?

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Re: How to pull the perfect OBB ?
« Reply #14 on: Aug 4 - 2011 »
I was taking to someone last week who swears blind that there was two Sam Smith's pubs in Scarborough but he could not remember it's name.

Re bad pints. Yes I've had a few, but the good ones  far outweighs the bad ones. I tend to ignore the odd bad pint but if it happens all the time, I just find somewhere else to drink.

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