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Offline jboycott

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Re: Old or former Sam Smiths pubs
« Reply #15 on: Oct 5 - 2011 »
There is an end terraced house in Ambrose Street York that was converted from a pub many years ago.
Look at google street map at the Ambrose Street / Holly Terrace junction.
The house on the corner with blue doors still has the Sam Smiths Taddy Ales sign hung outside.
It has been a house for at least the last 20 years.
I think the address is 90 Ambrose Street.

Superb, they'll probably get a few "tourists" round now via the Welly

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Re: Old or former Sam Smiths pubs
« Reply #16 on: Oct 5 - 2011 »
I remember this pub from about a year ago.

Google Street View

If you look on the map then you will see why this pub is no-longer a pub...it's not on a road to anywhere - not a through road.

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« Reply #17 on: Oct 5 - 2011 »
Don't remember any Sams pubs near Doncaster racecource, nearest one is the Corporation Brewery taps in Doncaster certre.

Sorry, no idea where the Castle in Scarborough was, I only kept a list of pubs and towns.

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« Reply #18 on: Oct 5 - 2011 »
The club near The Wellington was the Fulford Road WMC & closed in 2002. I never went in so can't confirm if it sold Sam Smiths. York Press story below.

MEMBERS of a York working men's club that is set to close two years before its centenary could receive a windfall pay out of up to ?1,000.
The 200 members of Fulford Road Working Men's Club, in Wenlock Terrace, will all receive an equal share of the club's assets when it closes at the end of this month.
The Evening Press has learned that the substantial three-storey building will be sold to a property developer for as much as ?400,000 before being converted into flats.
Each member of the club will then receive a windfall lump sum of up to ?1,000, although the final amount could be considerably lower than this when the club's debts and bills are settled.
Club secretary David Bailey said the time had come when the "writing was on the wall" for the club, and committee members wanted to close while members could still get something out of it.
He said: "It's sign of the times, we don't get the people through the doors any more.
"Our 200 members should each get a share, which could be anything up to ?1,000.
"It's getting harder to pay our bills, and the last thing we want is to owe the Inland Revenue or council money. It's like one man and his dog in the bar now."
Mr Bailey, who has been a member since 1974, said the fact that nearby residents, a large proportion of whom were students, no longer wanted to frequent working men's clubs, had contributed to the centre's downfall.

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« Reply #19 on: Oct 5 - 2011 »
Also in Leeds on Duncan St, to the left of the Duncan was the Star & Garter (on the corner of  Call Lane), this pub closed in the early seventies, I think someone was stabbed in there and the pub closed and has remained boarded up to this day. In those days the Duncan was quite posh (Duncan Hotel?), it had pubs either side - S&G, The Whip (down Hirst's Yd) and the Mucky Duck round the corner on Call Lane which were regarded as "rough" then.
Opposite the Duncan, on the corner of Central St was more of a bar than a pub, I think it was called The Central (Bar?) was also a Sam's house which later became a gay-leaning place and/or more trendy, not sure when the Sam's went out. Round the corner beyond the Elliot further up Vicar Lane was a (snooker?) club which served Sam's, it was above the shops on the right somewhere, mebbe opposite where the Vic Qtr entrance is (it was a long time ago), but the entrance was at the back on Harewood St. Opposite the entrance was a big pub (Market Tavern?) which I don't think was Sam's, probably Tetleys, which was demolished in the 70's and was (still is ) just left as a rough car park (Sidney St). It always puzzled me that all the Sam's were in the same area, and the Lion isn't too far, so I wonder if they owned a lot of property in that part of Leeds or they took over some other defunct Leeds brewery. Weird thing is that though I walked up Vicar Lane every day in the early seventies I don't remember the Elliot, not sure when I became "aware" of it, is it possible that it's a newish addition?

The "original" Sam Smith (died 1858) was based at the Bull and Mouth in Briggate and had substantial business interests in the area. Somewhere in what once it's sorted out will be my library, I've got a copy of "Where have all the breweries gone" which was a CAMRA publication of 30 or so years ago. I'm pretty sure that this mentions a couple of small Leeds breweries that Sam's took over; hopefully, I'll find it at the weekend.

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Re: Old or former Sam Smiths pubs
« Reply #20 on: Oct 6 - 2011 »
The Ferry at Thorganby used to sell Sam's though I think it was/is a free house

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Re: Old or former Sam Smiths pubs
« Reply #21 on: Oct 6 - 2011 »
Don't remember any Sams pubs near Doncaster racecource, nearest one is the Corporation Brewery taps in Doncaster certre.

Sorry, no idea where the Castle in Scarborough was, I only kept a list of pubs and towns.
This might be the place in Doncaster I'm thinking of, could it have been Sam's?
http://www.grandstleger.com/

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« Reply #22 on: Oct 6 - 2011 »
For many years the building that is now the Grand St Leger was semi-derelict, I think it used to be stable lads lodgings during rece meetings.

It was then converted to an up-market hotel but I am not aware of any connection with Sams. It would have been open well before the brewery began removing their outside signs and I don't remember ever seeing any brewery ownership. It may however have sold Sam's products, I have never been in so I don't know.

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 6 - 2012 »
Just found this photo of the Freemasons Arms, Covent Garden.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55935853@N00/4500737296/in/set-72157614013449520

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Re: Old or former Sam Smiths pubs
« Reply #24 on: Feb 6 - 2012 »
Ian

Here's the brewery's own "publicity" for the pub - from a leaflet entitled "25 pubs in London"

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Re: Old or former Sam Smiths pubs
« Reply #25 on: Feb 7 - 2012 »
Ian

Here's the brewery's own "publicity" for the pub - from a leaflet entitled "25 pubs in London"

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The pub now looks nowhere as near as traditional as it did in the advert.  I like the old look of it; it seems quite Dicensian, which is somewhat appropriate today!  The black and gold is just a classic London look for a pub, in my opinion.

Does anyone know why Samuel Smith's no-longer own/lease it?

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« Reply #26 on: Feb 7 - 2012 »
Ian

Here's the brewery's own "publicity" for the pub - from a leaflet entitled "25 pubs in London"

OBB

The pub now looks nowhere as near as traditional as it did in the advert.  I like the old look of it; it seems quite Dicensian, which is somewhat appropriate today!  The black and gold is just a classic London look for a pub, in my opinion.

Does anyone know why Samuel Smith's no-longer own/lease it?

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It might have been leased and the lease expired. Or Samuel Smith Southern might have swapped it with another building or pub in the area. Looks a lovely building though.

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« Reply #27 on: Feb 7 - 2012 »
Interesting info about the Freemasons Arms. It's now a Shepherd Neame tied house (since 2005 when they bought it from Greene King) and boasts 'a unique place in soccer history – it was here that in 1863 that the Football Association was founded'

http://www.freemasonsarmscoventgarden.co.uk/

I can't find any more info about how SS got hold of it but I'll guess it was part of the batch of Grand Metropolitan pubs that Sams bought and took over the leases of to start the London empire,

« Last Edit: Feb 7 - 2012 by OnTheDrink »

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« Reply #28 on: Feb 8 - 2012 »
Ian

Here's the brewery's own "publicity" for the pub - from a leaflet entitled "25 pubs in London"

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This leaflet looks very interesting - any chance of the whole thing being 'scanned' and posted on here? It's just the sheer novelty of 'publicity' and 'Sam Smiths' being in the same sentence!

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« Reply #29 on: Feb 8 - 2012 »
Ian

Here's the brewery's own "publicity" for the pub - from a leaflet entitled "25 pubs in London"

OBB

This leaflet looks very interesting - any chance of the whole thing being 'scanned' and posted on here? It's just the sheer novelty of 'publicity' and 'Sam Smiths' being in the same sentence!

Doesn't seem to go together publicity and Samuel Smith's. They seem to have acquired the London pubs in batches. One company was Chestercirlce i think which changed it's name to Samuel Smith Sourthern later.

Name & Registered Office:
SAMUEL SMITH (SOUTHERN)
THE OLD BREWERY
TADCASTER
NORTH YORKS
LS24 9SB
Company No. 01345661


      
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 23/12/1977

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Unlimited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
56302 - Public houses and bars
Accounting Reference Date: 30/04
Last Accounts Made Up To:  (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due:
Last Return Made Up To: 16/11/2011
Next Return Due: 14/12/2012
Last Members List: 16/11/2011
Previous Names:
Date of change    Previous Name
20/07/1982    SAML. SMITH (SOUTHERN)
31/12/1979    CHESTERCIRCLE