New Interesting sign

[DarkieBoy]

Hi

I've just been reading about this

Darkieboy was asking about the CAMRA head measuring card

I have a rather battered copy

But my skill shortage means I have failed to scan it and attach file to email you

I also remember a Camra campaign to make lined glasses obligatory

I wrote my (then Tory) MP who was wholly disinterested !

Thank you southener, I'll keep an eye out for when you succeed with your scanner...temperamental pieces of technology!

I'm a big advocate of lined glasses...with them, then this argument would not exist.  Wine drinkers and Pure Brewed Lager drinkers know exactly if they get a short measure while real ale and other drinkers do not.

DB.

[DarkieBoy]

If the pint is 95% full I would accept it, but if it's much below that then take a photograph, note the date, time, & who refused a top up and report it to trading standards.
I understand the landlord of the pub in question initially refused to implement the no top up policy on the grounds that it was his licence at stake. Has he backed down?

The only problem with this is that most people don't really know what a pint looks like that is more than 5% short.

My advice is to take a 500ml bottle of beer (more than 10% less than a pint) and pour it into a pint glass and see where it comes to...you'd be surprised by how high in the glass it reaches...this is because of the shape of a pint glass being narrower at the bottom than the top.  This is not far from what many people think is a good measure.

You could also try this with a 550ml bottle of beer too.

DB.

[centurion]

If the pint is 95% full I would accept it, but if it's much below that then take a photograph, note the date, time, & who refused a top up and report it to trading standards.
I understand the landlord of the pub in question initially refused to implement the no top up policy on the grounds that it was his licence at stake. Has he backed down?

The only problem with this is that most people don't really know what a pint looks like that is more than 5% short.

My advice is to take a 500ml bottle of beer (more than 10% less than a pint) and pour it into a pint glass and see where it comes to...you'd be surprised by how high in the glass it reaches...this is because of the shape of a pint glass being narrower at the bottom than the top.  This is not far from what many people think is a good measure.

You could also try this with a 550ml bottle of beer too.

DB.

Try it with a bottle of SS Nut Brown Ale etc, they are 568ml or one pint but take care not to spill over the top. 

[DarkieBoy]

If the pint is 95% full I would accept it, but if it's much below that then take a photograph, note the date, time, & who refused a top up and report it to trading standards.
I understand the landlord of the pub in question initially refused to implement the no top up policy on the grounds that it was his licence at stake. Has he backed down?

The only problem with this is that most people don't really know what a pint looks like that is more than 5% short.

My advice is to take a 500ml bottle of beer (more than 10% less than a pint) and pour it into a pint glass and see where it comes to...you'd be surprised by how high in the glass it reaches...this is because of the shape of a pint glass being narrower at the bottom than the top.  This is not far from what many people think is a good measure.

You could also try this with a 550ml bottle of beer too.

DB.

Try it with a bottle of SS Nut Brown Ale etc, they are 568ml or one pint but take care not to spill over the top. 

Buy me a bottle and I'll task it out to DG!

DB.

[ian]

As stated before, I myself don't have any problems with having a 5% head on my pint and would not ask for a topup.  What I do have issues about is being told I'm not allowed to ask for one if I think I'm being short change with my beer.  It's like rubbing your nose in it.  We don't go into a pub and ask for a 17, 18, or even a 19 ounce bitter. You ask for "A pint of bitter please" Saying that I would turn my nose up at a 20 ounce bitter in a 20 ounce glass, that is why I'm happy with around 19 ounces.

If that makes sense. 

[OldBreweryDrinker]

I may know someone who has the picture of the correct measure for pints  Should be able to scan it in and put on here.

Some locals in my local are pouring water into pint glasses to check where the 95% liquid should be at. The manager is getting pissed off at people complaining about the heads on their beer.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

As stated before, I myself don't have any problems with having a 5% head on my pint and would not ask for a topup.  What I do have issues about is being told I'm not allowed to ask for one if I think I'm being short change with my beer.  It's like rubbing your nose in it.  We don't go into a pub and ask for a 17, 18, or even a 19 ounce bitter. You ask for "A pint of bitter please" Saying that I would turn my nose up at a 20 ounce bitter in a 20 ounce glass, that is why I'm happy with around 19 ounces.

If that makes sense. 

Yes i agree with you a pint of bitter is a pint and should be. Just that some managers are now under pressure from Humphrey to get the 5% surplus. Humphrey has been seen aroound the empire agruaing with customers and managers over the head on the beer. One has been sacked on the spot for topping a pint up whilst he was there. Not sure which pub though

[ian]

As stated before, I myself don't have any problems with having a 5% head on my pint and would not ask for a topup.  What I do have issues about is being told I'm not allowed to ask for one if I think I'm being short change with my beer.  It's like rubbing your nose in it.  We don't go into a pub and ask for a 17, 18, or even a 19 ounce bitter. You ask for "A pint of bitter please" Saying that I would turn my nose up at a 20 ounce bitter in a 20 ounce glass, that is why I'm happy with around 19 ounces.

If that makes sense. 

Yes i agree with you a pint of bitter is a pint and should be. Just that some managers are now under pressure from Humphrey to get the 5% surplus. Humphrey has been seen aroound the empire agruaing with customers and managers over the head on the beer. One has been sacked on the spot for topping a pint up whilst he was there. Not sure which pub though

To sack a manager for topping up a pint when asked as to be wrong and against the law.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

As stated before, I myself don't have any problems with having a 5% head on my pint and would not ask for a topup.  What I do have issues about is being told I'm not allowed to ask for one if I think I'm being short change with my beer.  It's like rubbing your nose in it.  We don't go into a pub and ask for a 17, 18, or even a 19 ounce bitter. You ask for "A pint of bitter please" Saying that I would turn my nose up at a 20 ounce bitter in a 20 ounce glass, that is why I'm happy with around 19 ounces.

If that makes sense. 

Yes i agree with you a pint of bitter is a pint and should be. Just that some managers are now under pressure from Humphrey to get the 5% surplus. Humphrey has been seen aroound the empire agruaing with customers and managers over the head on the beer. One has been sacked on the spot for topping a pint up whilst he was there. Not sure which pub though

To sack a manager for topping up a pint when asked as to be wrong and against the law.

I totally agree Ian, but this man is a law unto himself. What can the managers do except comply with his orders. I walked out of a Sam's pub the other day and didn't pay because the head was well over 5%. Wish i had taken a picture

[ian]

I took my wife out for a meal on Saturday night at the pub on Golden Valley roundabout (sorry but don't know the name)  and look what I saw....................    


Sorry but this photo will remain for members only.

[Nevinyrral]

so it's still personal preference... 'if you think...(etc)' so it's down to what you feel looks like a reasonable pint, i like a head on mine but not too much of a head... there's a balance to be achieved.
fortunately most of the staff in my local know how i like my pint :-)

[east coast beer drinker]

I don't think that SS will be the only brewery/pubs that give "only" 95% liquid. There are plenty of pubs around here that give less than especially with Lager. If it's too big ask for a top up as the poster says. However, what is reasonable in my eyes may not be reasonable in someone else's. I don't mind a 5% head, in fact if I don't get that then to me it's not a good pint, but 5% is enough head.
I suppose this can be debated until the cow's come home and probably will.

[hurtbyhumph]

OMG another pub chain with humphreys mind set! this will give him more reason to push ahead with it.

As if  Humphrey needs encouragement

[OnTheDrink]

I don't think that SS will be the only brewery/pubs that give "only" 95% liquid. There are plenty of pubs around here that give less than especially with Lager. If it's too big ask for a top up as the poster says. However, what is reasonable in my eyes may not be reasonable in someone else's. I don't mind a 5% head, in fact if I don't get that then to me it's not a good pint, but 5% is enough head.
I suppose this can be debated until the cow's come home and probably will.

Yes, Sams are far from being the only offender, but HS is the only one with the brass neck to put it in writing!

[OldBreweryDrinker]

Yes Sams are not the only pub group that wants the 5% surplus. Extra profit for not much effort really. Weatherspoons and Slug & lettuce group were two of the offenders in the papers survey for not giving the correct head.