Electric Metered Pumps Coming Soon

[OldBreweryDrinker]

Could be a H & S matter to have kegs floating around in the cellar. I know it was split up years ago. With one cellar outside and one upstairs from the pub.

Yes, it was a good few years ago when I was told that.

Fair enough. Things might have cahnged for the better.

[DarkieBoy]

Could be a H & S matter to have kegs floating around in the cellar. I know it was split up years ago. With one cellar outside and one upstairs from the pub.

Yes, it was a good few years ago when I was told that.

Does it actual have a below-ground cellar (disused or otherwise)?  There's no reason for cask beer not to be available.  You can serve it from an upstairs cellar - it happens all the time in Widow Cullen's Well.

DB.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

Could be a H & S matter to have kegs floating around in the cellar. I know it was split up years ago. With one cellar outside and one upstairs from the pub.

Yes, it was a good few years ago when I was told that.

Does it actual have a below-ground cellar (disused or otherwise)?  There's no reason for cask beer not to be available.  You can serve it from an upstairs cellar - it happens all the time in Widow Cullen's Well.

DB.

The outside one is up a ladder that drops down, I think you can see it in Ian's photos. The other one is upstairs apparently. Not sure wether it's a size issue with the cellar or not.

[OnTheDrink]

As far as I know it's never sold cask since SS introduced keg products, which is odd given it's busy and a tourist pub, so maybe cellar size has got something to do with it.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

As far as I know it's never sold cask since SS introduced keg products, which is odd given it's busy and a tourist pub, so maybe cellar size has got something to do with it.

In all the years I have been going to York, I have not seen cask OBB at the Kings Arm's 

[whizz]

This will please that daft bird in Parliment who was against an ale called Top Totty, she will have been dead against hand pulled.

[canaldrifter]

This will please that daft bird in Parliment who was against an ale called Top Totty, she will have been dead against hand pulled.

Love it!

Tone

[OldBreweryDrinker]

This will please that daft bird in Parliment who was against an ale called Top Totty, she will have been dead against hand pulled.

She is probably againist any hand pulled beer full stop. Just becasue they can get cheap beer in the commons bar 

[canaldrifter]

On topic,

From

http://www.lacors.com/lacors/ContentDetails.aspx?id=2423

6. What constitutes a correct measure and what is reasonable continues to be a matter for the courts to determine. However, licensees and consumers need to have as much certainty as possible in being advised on their position in law when delivering and purchasing beer. The BLRA Guidance Notes are a serious effort by the industry to provide licensees with a degree of certainty which enjoys Government support. It needs to be noted that the Guidance does not apply to:

- beers normally served without a head.

- beers served in line glasses (where the Notes make it clear that "When beer is dispensed by free flow into a line measure glass sufficient beer (liquid and head) must be dispensed so as to ensure that if the head totally collapsed the liquid in the measure would be level with the line defining the measure" and this would apply whether the head naturally settled or was forced by chemical intervention to settle).

- a beer dispensed through approved measuring meters.

- situations where a purchaser requests a full liquid pint.

That sounds pretty fair. HS will have to supply oversized glasses with his measured pumps. I can get a full pint in my lined tankard.

Tone

[OnTheDrink]

That sounds pretty fair. HS will have to supply oversized glasses with his measured pumps. I can get a full pint in my lined tankard.

Tone

That was a given but it's not a bad thing cost-wise as the oversized glasses aren't stamped so cost less.  My argument against lined glasses for free-flow dispense still stands as there will be constant arguments over 'underfilling' to allow for the liquid content of the head. Overfilling will simply mean prices go up, and the cost of lined, stamped glasses would also be a massive investment, ending up on the price of a pint. It's not rocket science to produce a fair pint in a brim-measure glass if the will was there to do it.

[DarkieBoy]

That sounds pretty fair. HS will have to supply oversized glasses with his measured pumps. I can get a full pint in my lined tankard.

Tone

That was a given but it's not a bad thing cost-wise as the oversized glasses aren't stamped so cost less.  My argument against lined glasses for free-flow dispense still stands as there will be constant arguments over 'underfilling' to allow for the liquid content of the head. Overfilling will simply mean prices go up, and the cost of lined, stamped glasses would also be a massive investment, ending up on the price of a pint. It's not rocket science to produce a fair pint in a brim-measure glass if the will was there to do it.

The over-sized glasses I've used locally are stamped/marked as a pint.  Lined glasses should be brought in over time, as old glasses are replaced, new over-sized glasses will replace them, in my opinion.

DB.

[OnTheDrink]

The over-sized glasses I've used locally are stamped/marked as a pint.  Lined glasses should be brought in over time, as old glasses are replaced, new over-sized glasses will replace them, in my opinion.

DB.

Sorry, when I was talking about oversized glasses I meant the unstamped variety only used for metered dispense. If you use lined oversized glasses for metered dispense it always causes arguments because the liquid never reaches the line unless the pint is completely flat. Brewers and Publicans will resist change because it will always involve extra cost, mainly in having to give away the beer that goes over the line but I suppose many pubs waste it anyway

[OldBreweryDrinker]

The new glasses supplied by the brewery are not lined for the pint glasses, but are for the halfs. It doesn't alwasy measure the Pure Brew to the line correctly. Awaiting cellar services to sort it out. Also has a problem with the Alpine, an air leak apparently.

Some customers are questioning the dispense of the measured pint.

[OnTheDrink]

The new glasses supplied by the brewery are not lined for the pint glasses, but are for the halfs. It doesn't alwasy measure the Pure Brew to the line correctly. Awaiting cellar services to sort it out. Also has a problem with the Alpine, an air leak apparently.

Some customers are questioning the dispense of the measured pint.

If they're dispensing metered beer into lined glasses then it won't ever meet the line until the beer goes completely flat as the head is part of the measured pint, and even then there's a small margin of error on the glasses and the dispense meter.

[OldBreweryDrinker]

The new glasses supplied by the brewery are not lined for the pint glasses, but are for the halfs. It doesn't alwasy measure the Pure Brew to the line correctly. Awaiting cellar services to sort it out. Also has a problem with the Alpine, an air leak apparently.

Some customers are questioning the dispense of the measured pint.

If they're dispensing metered beer into lined glasses then it won't ever meet the line until the beer goes completely flat as the head is part of the measured pint, and even then there's a small margin of error on the glasses and the dispense meter.

That's what the manager at the pub said and seems to be settling down now. With the exception of the Alpine.