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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #15 on: Jan 5 - 2009 »
Well, having started the post, maybe I should finish it?

All of the comments are valid, and I'm glad to say the pile of fag ends have now been swept up!

Have a good 2009.....
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With reference to not giving Sam Smith's ammunition to sacking the relief manager.
If this manager is anything like the ones we have been saddled with, then they deserve to be sacked.
In the Barley Corn one of them spends more time sitting and her backside than behind the bar, the other drinks more beer himself than serves customers. ( if the stock is down, watch out bar staff you maybe about to be accused, again,  of pilfering )
The place is filthy, there is an inch of dust everwhere, they are such lazy loofers.
They only have time for one or two of their croanies, who they used to drink with on an afternoon and who cow down to them, they never have any pleasantries for anyone else, infact  most times they are down right rude.
People used to moan about Alan and Jane, but Laura, i think you have been conned by these two.
The Barley Corn has been my local village pub now for 23 years, and by far these 2 are the worst managers to date.

Whilst I agree with a lot you have said I have to say that I have not found the present couple rude, in fact they have always been pleasant even after receiving some verbal abuse from the tap room lads for always been sat in the lounge. But as always the pub is a s**thole and a health hazard, the gents toilets are a disgrace, but as they say you can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, and the brewery have certainly made a pigs ear of this pub. By the way Saxon might see you in there later for a pint at least the ales good.

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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #17 on: Jan 9 - 2009 »
Whilst you can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear, it's also true that if you put a pig in a palace, it's still a pig!
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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #18 on: Jan 9 - 2009 »
My wife and I retired from this so called family concern  a while ago,took early retirement and came ouy with a few bob.We retired because we saw what was happening with the company,our cleaning revenue was cut by 2/3rds ,we were spending our own money to keep the pub clean.Our customers always c
ame first even when they moaned about this and that.So please give managers a chance they are working for idiots such as Hump and his boss F.O.B. Yes I believe Sams have set some dead wood on as relief managers but what sane person would work for them.Its such a shame when we first started 20 years ago it was a great company to work for,just glad to be out of it.

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 22 - 2009 »
hi- as a "fan" of the sam smiths brews though no fan of the weird  and wonderful policies of the brewery - I joined this site as a means of keeping uptodate with the pubs and current events.Anyway- It seems to me that some people here are getting what they deserve - Complaints abound on this site about the nasty, vindictive and/or half-baked policies and practices of Sam Smiths - probably all justified... but then people then make nasty, vindictive , half-baked comments about the employees of Sam Smiths( ie managers). Come on, show you are better than the "enemy" and have the guts say things - like calling someone a pig- to peoples faces and dont hide behind this site- after all the worse that can happen is you'll get scratched from a pub you hate.

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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #20 on: Jan 22 - 2009 »
dear ebygum mugabe, if things were only that simple some managers have worked for sams for a lifetime, and yes i agree everyone has a moan about employers, but what you dont know is that the smith regime (which by the way, unlike mugabe who is upfront and tells it as it is)is secretive, conniving and unsympathetic,managers are being FORCED TO CUT STAFF HOURS by as much as 70% and being told to do the work themselves, which means they are working more hours than the E U working time regulations permit, they do have a choice DO IT OR GO AND FIND OTHER EMPLOYMENT  if they leave as a lot are Smith is bringing in people of the dole with no qualifications and giving them pubs where they are expected to run a pub for 14 hours a day on a joint wage of ?65 a day, which is then breaking the minimum wage regulations. This is why managers are using this site to moan because until someone stops this tyrannical regime thats what they have to put up with. and the irony of it all, is that the company we work for sells fantastic beer at a great price, and although the food is a bit expensive if served with fresh veg it makes a substantial meal no worse than wetherspoons, so dont label us all as moaners, come and work a 14 hour day with a smile on your face and bring mr smith with you

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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #21 on: Jan 22 - 2009 »
Message to the anonymous poster: 'concerned'.

As you seem to be involved in some dialogue at this site (of which you are very welcome) I would appreciate, as mentioned before, if you could join the site as a member - and then you will be able to submit your own posts - which would save me some time, as I'm currently very busy, and can not guarantee making your posts on your behalf, for anything up to a week or two.

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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #22 on: Jan 23 - 2009 »
hi- as a "fan" of the sam smiths brews though no fan of the weird  and wonderful policies of the brewery - I joined this site as a means of keeping uptodate with the pubs and current events.Anyway- It seems to me that some people here are getting what they deserve - Complaints abound on this site about the nasty, vindictive and/or half-baked policies and practices of Sam Smiths - probably all justified... but then people then make nasty, vindictive , half-baked comments about the employees of Sam Smiths( ie managers). Come on, show you are better than the "enemy" and have the guts say things - like calling someone a pig- to peoples faces and dont hide behind this site- after all the worse that can happen is you'll get scratched from a pub you hate.

Hi ebagum mugabe, Mr Zak here.

I don't recall calling anybody a pig, especially pub managers who do their best under very trying circumstances. Don't recall either being nasty or vindictive, but simply trying to make the point that irrespective of the despicable treatment meted out by humph and his cronies to his managers and staff, it's the pub manager, in the end, who has the best and most immediate opportunity to improve his / her immediate surroundings for the benefit of his / her customers. And if he / she can't be bothered to sweep up a mounting pile of fag ends, it perhaps says a little bit about their own standards and they shouldn't be too surprised when someone complains about it...

Of course, the great majority of pub managers do an unbelievably good job, despite all the best efforts from Taddy Towers to prevent them from doing so. It's pretty obvious from the comments on this site that the true cause of the demise of a once great brewery is the short sighted "management" policies emanating from the top, and the Victorian approach they have to recruiting, managing, training, supporting and developing their managers and staff - and their illegal treatment of them.

So, I guess the only real "pig in a palace" in the whole organisation is the beloved humphrey himself - unless someone would like to nominate FOB in his place?

I suppose the real question is this: What can anybody, individually or collectively actually DO to change things within Sams for the better - for staff and customers alike? There's been lots of suggestions on this site, ranging from having humphrey sectioned under the mental health act, having him disbarred as a director - to joining the union and seeking strength in numbers - but humphrey carries on regardless! Maybe when the upcoming tribunal costs start to mount and hit him in the pocket it might make a difference - but don't hold your breath, humphrey's a very rich man, and really doesn't give a s**t about the cost. He knows best, and the rest of us, employee and customer alike can simply go elsewhere if they don't like it.

Has anybody got a gun I could borrow?
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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #23 on: Jul 13 - 2010 »
My response to ?Zak?s? posting.
On behalf of myself and other loyal customers I would like to say the following.
I am surprised to read his negative posting about the relief manager.
Zak claims to have had to climb over piles of tab ends outside the pub and wait 15 minutes to get served. Trust me this guy is obviously exaggerating and just bitter his friends have been sacked. I spend more time drinking in the pub than this Zak and know exactly what?s been going on. He fails to tell you that the ?Relief Manager? for this particular pub had to travel at least two times a day about 2 miles each way to work.
As she didn?t drive she had to walk or catch the bus. When we had all the snow and roads where blocked and no transport running the ?Relief? walked 2 mile in to get the pub cleaned and open. Then she had to walk back the 2 miles through the bitter cold and snow to get home. This was all due to the last managers refusing to leave the accommodation after being dismissed. So the relief has been trying to run this busy pub from October 2008 till the end of March 2009 single handed on the reduced hours and was not even living in. If the original managers had moved out instead of refusing to leave then the relief could have managed the pub fully. If anyone is to blame it is the ex-managers as they ran the pub down.
She amazed me how she put up with all the travelling from her own home to work twice a day. She did it because she is dedicated to her job and is not frightened to work hard.
I think she has done a bloody good job to keep the pub running smoothly and Zak is simply talking a lot of manure. I know Zak is a customer, but in this case the ?Customer is wrong? and out of order too.
As for opening hours this pub does not shut in the afternoon like a lot of Sam Smiths pubs, its open all day up till close. As for New Years Eve opening times she did not break the law and Zak doesn?t seem to understand the new licensing laws. As customers will agree with me last New Years Eve was a great night and included party poppers supplied by the relief manager.
The relief manager has been working for Sam Smiths for over 9 years I think at this particular pub and to my knowledge the hardest working person in the pub. She is experienced, in fact been in the pub trade for over 25 years she tells me.
Zak wrote: she can't be bothered to sweep up a mounting pile of fag ends, it perhaps says a little bit about their own standards.
I can tell you her living standards are high and along with her husband they are a well groomed and well liked couple and all this reflects in the pub.

 All her hard dedicated work and patience has paid off as she is now the official new manager along with her husband. They have the pub looking fantastic. Nice and clean and customer service is A1. It?s nice to see enthusiastic managers for a change. This pub is one of Sam Smiths flagship pubs. Well done to both of them.
?Zak? a good friend of the ex managers fails to mention that the place was dirty and untidy before the relief manager took over and that the majority of the locals hated the previous managers.  It?s so nice now to see managers working behind the bar now! That?s what Mr Smith wants the managers to do! The last managers where never seen behind the bar serving. In fact you will find that they where sat down talking to Zak most of the time!
The food is great and the staff are nice and polite. The pub is busier than ever before, standards are up and are continuing to get better. All thanks to the new management. I noticed that ?Zak? despite complaining and moaning still came in to the pub drinking and is still coming in to the pub and being nice in front of the new managers. Personally I think they should ban Zak for slagging them off. When you next walk through the pub doors I think you should go and apologies to the manageress. Better still I think it wise you go to another pub. I don?t know how you can show your face there again. I will certainly be pointing you out when you come in.
I wish the new managers the best of luck and I hope that Mr H Smith and the rest of the company will look after them.
However hard anyone works or how dedicated they are to a company they can still loose their jobs. However if one tries to put 100% in to their work and does as their told then they have more chance of keeping their jobs. The new managers are putting in 200% effort!
The decision for not having an entertainment & music licence was a great move for this particular pub. The place is busier than ever and is just how an old traditional pub should be.

Oh dear, beerman1, more than a year on from your nasty attack on me, and your "friends" at our local have now moved on themselves. Your comments are all water under the bridge, but I do recognise that they made a huge effort with the pub and I wish them the very best at their new venture with Marston's in Altrincham...

That said, though, a lick of paint and a tub of flowers are not the only way to improve the atmosphere in a local - a friendly approach to the regulars in the tap room as well as in the best room might have helped - banning money spending locals on a whim and sticking officious notices up everywhere does not create a relaxed atmosphere. They may have been loved in the best room, but as recently (moderated) posts illustrate, the tap room unfortunately celebrated their going - a shame, really, because, as I said, they made a real effort in some ways.

But there is one thing that puzzles me, beerman1 - why have you deleted two of your posts - one a rather sychophantic praising of "Mr" Smith and his fantastic vision for his pubs, and the other praising "S & D at the Emmotts"?

Could it be that your views of the wonderful Humphrey have now changed, given that your friends were treated no differently to any other managers ie as expendable slaves?

Or is it that you actually are one of the managers that has now moved on?

Either way, the best of luck to them, and let's hope that Humphrey doesn't completely ruin a great local...

P.S. The previous managers, M & J whom you so despised are thoroughly enjoying their new pub in the Welsh borders - there is life after Humphrey! ;)
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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #24 on: Jan 12 - 2011 »
Whilst you can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear, it's also true that if you put a pig in a palace, it's still a pig!
But if you put it between two slices of bread it's a banjo. :P

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Re: The state of one of your pubs
« Reply #25 on: Jan 13 - 2011 »
is this a lovers trist?