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Title: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: antthe2nd on Feb 26 - 2011
THE BRGINING OF THE END of this tyranical regime in tadcaster, he mr hrw smith has banned homosexuals from his pubs,starting with the newly refurbed old red lion in leeds centre,which is in the gay quarter of the city,all the pubs are talking about it and its appeared in a couple of gay papers around the city,the freinds i know who are gay are disgusted and i think a protest is in the making,heard it all on a visit to leeds centre today, surely this is illegal and will create national media disgust in all communitys,what next???? no blacks??? this man is so lost in time
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: ian on Feb 26 - 2011
I've been in the Leeds area today and heard the same.

ian.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: BlackDog on Feb 26 - 2011
Was there not a legal precedent set recently with the couple who refused gays access to their B&B? The man does not have a leg to stand on with this issue!
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Feb 27 - 2011
Like BlacDog says i am pretty sure it would be against the law to implement this policy. Not only by our laws, but also European ones. He seems to be jsut making up new policys of the cuff at the moment.

I saw a customer in a Sams pub smoking his electronic cigarette and the manager didn't say anything, i am not sure whether they were aware of the policy on this. But i know it is hard to spot a small device like that when the pub is busy with customers.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OnTheDrink on Feb 27 - 2011
There was a story in the Publican just this week about a pub that had decided to change it's 'gay' status and got hammered by the Equal Opportunities Commission. The Equality Act covers all forms of discrimination and while a lot of people might not agree wholly with all that Human Rights stuff, it's the law and companies just have to toe the line. It's inconveivable that a modern progressive company would actively discriminate but we're talking about Hump here who acts like a medieval landowner and thinks he can do as he pleases. 

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/advice-and-guidance/guidance-for-service-providers/what-equality-law-means-for-your-business-when-youre-providing-goods-facilities-or-services-to-the-public/hotels-restaurants-cafs-and-pubs/ (http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/advice-and-guidance/guidance-for-service-providers/what-equality-law-means-for-your-business-when-youre-providing-goods-facilities-or-services-to-the-public/hotels-restaurants-cafs-and-pubs/)
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: whizz on Feb 27 - 2011
Would it be against the law to suggest a bar area for gays? I would think that that would keep evey one happy, why I say this is because the York Arms seems to have naturally gone in this direction, IE it is said by the locals that the lounge area is the gay half.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: passedit on Feb 28 - 2011
Come on let,s get real a bar for gay people,doe,s that mean a bar for black people,Chinese,Irish,Scot,s, the list is endless let,s get back to the real world and accept people for what they are
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: antthe2nd on Feb 28 - 2011
ive been in this game along time,im disgusted,not going to say been here an there,once i leave sams ill blow the lid off

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ive been in this game along time,im disgusted,not going to say been here an there,once i leave sams ill blow the lid off
and he wont have my bond,and he wont rob me
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: whizz on Feb 28 - 2011
Lets get real?, if that is the question then why do I hear about "Gay Bars", and why do I hear that straight people go into gay bars as do gay people go into straight bars, it's all about each to their own if they wish, but interaction also. My point being that at the York Arms there has been a natural progression to a bar area for each group, it is not an order, I have been in the gay bar, and I have seen gay people in the straight area, but each half accepts the title of the one that they frequent.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: ian on Feb 28 - 2011
I think all this talk about gay bars and non-gay bars is not what this thread is about.

I have been in quite a few gays bars around the world, mostly by accident may I add   :-*.  Has a straight person who more time them not went in with my wife, I've never been told to get out because I'm not gay. So why should gays (as long as there not flaunting too much I.E. kissing ect) be told that they cannot use any pub they want to do.

I do think Sam Smith's will come unstuck if they continue down the road of banning gays.

For the record.

I've been in both the Pink Pussy and the York Arms a few times and have yet to see any signs of the gay scene.

ian.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: garybaldy72uk on Apr 21 - 2011
The Old red Lion is Now a str8 Bar??

 Wowza i was last in the red lion about 2 years ago. Supped in there on n off for best part of 20 years and yes im a gay man!

If Humph carries on hell end up Losing the brewery ..... the equalities commision will see that he doesnt get away with this!

Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: Chico on Apr 29 - 2011
Is it true that the smiths are barring gay people from there pubs.
I know of 2 pubs near each other were the barmen are gay.
How does that work then.....
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: antthe2nd on Apr 29 - 2011
THERE A FEW GAY MEN/WOMEN WORK FOR THE BREWERY, HE MUSNT BE AWRARE OF IT, LAWSUITS WILL BE THE RAGE SOON I THINK, OR MAYBE THE GAYBAR MEN ARE HOMOPHOBIC TOO :P :-*
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Apr 30 - 2011
Like you ant, the brewery could be facing law suits from customers and also other people who work within the brewery. He carn't dictate peoples lives like this or who goes into his pubs.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: antthe2nd on Apr 30 - 2011
why would i have a lawsuit against me? lol  ;D
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: alepaul on Apr 30 - 2011
Does anyone have any evidence of an overall blanket policy of excluding gays? eg a memo to managers? I don't think so.

Let's not forget, barstaff have the right to serve who they want at all times and to exclude anyone they want from their pubs. Obviously there are two isolated cases that people probably have in mind: John Snow which is a general point about kissing in public and the Old Red Lion which is about trying to encourage a smarter clientele regardless of sexuality.

There are loads of SS pubs where people of all orientation happily co-exist.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OnTheDrink on Apr 30 - 2011
There are loads of SS pubs where people of all orientation happily co-exist.

Indeed. My local Sams pub being one of them. No-one overtly gay but several couples - male and female - who come in fairly regularly and just like anyone else, bother no-one.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on May 3 - 2011
Several Sams pubs that i go into regularly, have a good mix of people of different sexual oreientation or social groups.It makes a night in the pub a better one.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: DarkieBoy on May 4 - 2011
Several Sams pubs that i go into regularly, have a good mix of people of different sexual oreientation or social groups.It makes a night in the pub a better one.

Life would be somewhat boring if we were all the same.

DB.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: pintplease on May 4 - 2011
There are loads of SS pubs where people of all orientation happily co-exist.

Indeed. My local Sams pub being one of them. No-one overtly gay but several couples - male and female - who come in fairly regularly and just like anyone else, bother no-one.

Your right but unfortunately The Old Red Lion in Leeds doesn't  fit in that category.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: whizz on May 8 - 2011
A couple of weeks ago in the York arms a chap who I have spoken to before came and sat with us, he is past middle age, very smart,  pleasant,  witty, and gay. He has a partner who tends to get a bit jealous if he spends to much time chatting with us, but he also is witty and hams up his sexuality a bit, but It's all in good humour. Thats what pub life is all about.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: garybaldy72uk on May 8 - 2011
A couple of weeks ago in the York arms a chap who I have spoken to before came and sat with us, he is past middle age, very smart,  pleasant,  witty, and gay. He has a partner who tends to get a bit jealous if he spends to much time chatting with us, but he also is witty and hams up his sexuality a bit, but It's all in good humour. That's what pub life is all about.

I'm very much the same witty charming talk to anyone Type of gay .... Open hearth scunny is a Smashing pub never had any hassle there cos of my sexual preference!

BTW Humph if you wanna Bar me youll have to Chase me first ..... Im kinky like that!!!
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: centurion on May 8 - 2011
A couple of weeks ago in the York arms a chap who I have spoken to before came and sat with us, he is past middle age, very smart,  pleasant,  witty, and gay. He has a partner who tends to get a bit jealous if he spends to much time chatting with us, but he also is witty and hams up his sexuality a bit, but It's all in good humour. That's what pub life is all about.

I'm very much the same witty charming talk to anyone Type of gay .... Open hearth scunny is a Smashing pub never had any hassle there cos of my sexual preference!

BTW Humph if you wanna Bar me youll have to Chase me first ..... Im kinky like that!!!

Are you, 72, bald and called Gary? If so you might be in there :o sorry  8)
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: garybaldy72uk on May 8 - 2011
Too Late Centurion im Taken LOL
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OnTheDrink on May 8 - 2011
FFS lol!  :D
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: Triphase on Jan 2 - 2012
Hi there! First post so please be kind...
I did hear rumour, that seemed to be accurate, that the 'anti-gay' memo was sent by HS to all York venues some years ago. This resulted in the manager of the York Arms resigning almost immediately in protest, his trade being mostly made up of this population. This meant that the more overtly camp went to the Little John (a John Smiths venue?) down by the Opera House (predominantly the younger generation) Anyone left at the Arms was a little older. A succession of relief managers followed, now the venue is run by Barney & Sarah, a great couple. Incidentally they have now crossed the 'Year' barrier and HS seems happy(?) with them.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: ian on Jan 2 - 2012
Hi Triphase, welcome to the forum and it's nice to see you've found time to post.

ian.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Jan 27 - 2012
Welcome to the forum and thanks for your post. The York Arms along with other "gay pubs" seem to be struggling to find managers at the moment. Please report on the new managers that took over recently.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: Triphase on Jan 29 - 2012
Hi,

The new landlords are Phil & Cheryl, they took over as soon as the previous people had left. According to them they've been in the trade for 20+ years and were formerly in Twickenham. Their bond has gone up to ?1500 from ?1000... They've been in-situ for a week and a half and are very pleasant. The previously barred customers re-appeared as expected, were allowed to stay for an evening, caused grief and were subsequently re-barred  ;)
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Jan 30 - 2012
Hi,

The new landlords are Phil & Cheryl, they took over as soon as the previous people had left. According to them they've been in the trade for 20+ years and were formerly in Twickenham. Their bond has gone up to ?1500 from ?1000... They've been in-situ for a week and a half and are very pleasant. The previously barred customers re-appeared as expected, were allowed to stay for an evening, caused grief and were subsequently re-barred  ;)

Some new managers tell you all sorts when they first start with the company and then change their minds later on. Interesting to note that the bond has gone up, not surprising really as so many managers leave with the takings for their pubs. Suppose it has happened so much now that he's just raised the amount accordingly. It's good that the new couple are barring people that cause trouble in the pub and hope that they are still there on my next visit.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: Triphase on Feb 2 - 2012
News from the York Arms - (I wondered whether it may be better to put this stuff in another thread?) Phil and Cheryl have left, a relief couple from Redcar are there for two weeks then we can expect new managers...
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Feb 4 - 2012
News from the York Arms - (I wondered whether it may be better to put this stuff in another thread?) Phil and Cheryl have left, a relief couple from Redcar are there for two weeks then we can expect new managers...

Wow they didn't last very long, but not surprising with the current situation at SSOB. Did they give a reason or not ? More relief couples moving around the empire  :P Can this pub find a new manager, as the next training course is not till mid February.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: Nevinyrral on Feb 6 - 2012
well in the current subject of the York Arms: it's not so much a case of them not lasting long as they appear to have been a temporary measure to keep the pub open... they were offered a pub in London (can't remember it's name) before they had been in the York Arms for 2 weeks... that was the area of the country they wanted to be in so they took it.

and as is the case with sam smiths, everything happens fast, they were offered the position one day and were gone from the pub the next.

this may or may not be helpful but is my understanding of the recent changeover... somebody else may have more info.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Feb 6 - 2012
well in the current subject of the York Arms: it's not so much a case of them not lasting long as they appear to have been a temporary measure to keep the pub open... they were offered a pub in London (can't remember it's name) before they had been in the York Arms for 2 weeks... that was the area of the country they wanted to be in so they took it.

and as is the case with sam smiths, everything happens fast, they were offered the position one day and were gone from the pub the next.

this may or may not be helpful but is my understanding of the recent changeover... somebody else may have more info.

On many known occasions managers have either been moved or shuffled round to keep the pubs open. Some with jsut staff and the manager from another pub holding the license. This is happening more and more around the country at the present time. Thanks for the update, I was planning on visting the York pubs soon. So will check it out.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: BlackDog on Apr 17 - 2012
Several Sams pubs that i go into regularly, have a good mix of people of different sexual oreientation or social groups.It makes a night in the pub a better one.

Life would be somewhat boring if we were all the same.

DB.

I have it on very good authority that Humphrey has recently appointed a gay couple (male) to manage one of his finer establishments so it seems he has no qualms in this regard whatsoever. As long as he gets his 5% I don't think anything phases him.
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: canaldrifter on Apr 17 - 2012
Several Sams pubs that i go into regularly, have a good mix of people of different sexual oreientation or social groups.It makes a night in the pub a better one.

Life would be somewhat boring if we were all the same.

DB.

I have it on very good authority that Humphrey has recently appointed a gay couple (male) to manage one of his finer establishments so it seems he has no qualms in this regard whatsoever. As long as he gets his 5% I don't think anything phases him.

He'd be in genuine trouble if he rejected them on grounds of prejudice.

Tone
Title: Re: HOT OF THE PRESS AND MUST BE BEGINING OF THE END
Post by: OldBreweryDrinker on Apr 18 - 2012
Normally Humphrey has found otehrs reasons to sack managers that are not up to his standards. Whether on grounds of sexuality and or colour. Heard many stories of both. As well as managers that are not married.